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The Matrix in Theology ?

Posted by princesstamtam on Tuesday, February 05, 07:46 PM

Exodus chapter 13 verse 12 – That thou shalt set apart unto the Lord all that openeth the matrix, and every firstling that cometh of a beast which thou hast; the males shall be the Lord’s.

 What does it all mean? I’ve re-read the books of Moses once again, just to see if I could see what the Wachowski brothers envisioned. If it was written in the bible along with the above passage.  What if their cinematic dreams were actually taken from scriptures of the bible and we are all living in an alternate existence controlled by one other than GOD?

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DRomeo

DRomeo wrote on Feb 06, 02:12 PM

The matrix is the ego which is fueled by the illusion of separation.  Oneness is the underlying reality of all that is.  When we remove the specific nomenclature, the bread crumbs to freedom can be seen in most religious narratives and myths.


princesstamtam

princesstamtam wrote on Feb 07, 07:39 PM

and that nomenclature you refer to is theology?  I guess you are right, but have you never had the feeling that there's "something" else out there in the universe pulling the strings?

I know I know " crack is whack Tam"

DRomeo

DRomeo wrote on Feb 07, 07:58 PM

I'm saying that what I'm saying is beyond saying :)

gin_0

gin_0 wrote on Feb 08, 02:21 AM

and yet, well said D.

princesstamtam

princesstamtam wrote on Feb 08, 06:16 PM

**Sigh** I wish for once that someone can finally say or explain what is beyond saying.  Wink

Venkman

Venkman wrote on Feb 10, 01:12 PM

Time is an illusion.
Lunch time doubly so
- hitchiker's guide to galaxy
That's what's beyond,
so are infrared, ultraviolet,
I love this sort of stuff.. you can say anything.. and it looks suspiciously smart and intelligent.. not to mention deep.

I think the real question is, are we afraid to think that there may be absolutely *nothing* whatsoever "beyond"?
Are we so full of hard attachments to this life that the only way we can go each day is believing that there IS that something after the end, (..and the end is the beginning all that bs..)
What if there isn't anyone keeping score of your sins (however that is defined)? what if it didn't matter whether you were naughty or nice and there is no santa clause? (oh wait there isn't), and dare I say it.. what if god was man's invention? not discovery, just because logical thinking and science only explain so much, the vastness of our ignorance is easily compacted into a simple answer (which everyone likes) "God".

So powerful is this urge to explain our existence, so powerful is our quest for meaning that it sort of like me when I am very frustrated with not finding a solution to a problem - I start trying every thing that I can think of - whether it is related to the problem or not - grasping at straws, hoping that one of those frustrated attempts, even if it didn't make sense, might just work. Of course there are logical theses written to explain existence of god, and more precisely one god, not many (since "supreme" is the most superlative you can't have two supremes).
But what if we were just simply.. well on our own? would it make a difference? would you live your life different?

(climbs down from the soap box, amidst dozens of flying rotten tomatoes)

DRomeo

DRomeo wrote on Feb 10, 04:06 PM

:)

This post is great Venkman.

"So powerful is this urge to explain our existence, so powerful is our quest for meaning that it sort of like me when I am very frustrated with not finding a solution to a problem..."

I think the "urge" you refer to is a mental trap. 

Whether prophet or nihilist,  talk like this is just birds singing--singing for the negative or the affirmative, it's all singing.)  No matter how beautiful the song, a caged bird is a caged bird. 

I like to hear the birds sing though :)

 

DRomeo

DRomeo wrote on Feb 10, 04:08 PM

One more thing.

Venkman, when you use the word "powerful" what does that word mean to you?  How are you using it?

Venkman

Venkman wrote on Feb 10, 04:52 PM

Darren you give me more credit than I actually deserve.. see anything I say might sound meaningful :P

(hoo.. second time on the soap box .. yeow! keep them tomatoes coming..)

I refer to our innate curiosity, our desire to explain everything, our desire to make sure a square has four equal sides and no more and no less. Well that desire is set into us from birth, from a 2 year old that just found out that things pushed off the table fall - and is so excited by this that now he/she tries to push every object off the table, chairs etc etc, to see if it *all* falls, thereby forming a link or a solution : things fall, no matter where they are, if nothing is between them and the ground - they fall (newton went several hundred miles further with moon falling, clever dude)

So, this urge and powerful urge are nearly evolutionary, something we can't remove. Its like the love of fatty foods, millions of years of honing of our digestive systems and desire to stay alive have made us magnets for high fat food. Smell of butter, aroma of fatty foods drives us crazy with need to eat. And similarly so is our urge to discover, explain and resolve.

Also, from birth we notice a pattern.. crib's good, hey, looky looky, there's a world outside the crib.. outside the crib's good, hey, there's a garden, a world outside the house, this is cool too, and so on and so forth. Now we are doing the same thing, well hoping there is a world outside our  existence.

But I am curious, so very curious, to know, what if there is absolutely nada, zip, zilch, you are just about as important as that rock, mud, ants etc. And, somehow there was some proof of that. You die and that's it, poof, no more.

Now, what?
(walks around with a toga and an "end is near" sign)

princesstamtam

princesstamtam wrote on Feb 10, 05:03 PM

I once saw an episode of the Twilight Zone where there were two astronauts who crash landed on a planet and one of them discovered a race of minute humans who were no bigger than the head of a pin. He declared himself a god of them and they ran around doing his bidding until two other space men came to the planet and they were bigger than the previous two and by accident one crushed the self made “god”.  I think the episode was called “In his image” I cannot help but wonder if we are nothing but a speck of existence in the hand of something larger more compelling.

 

Venkman and Darren thank you!

valarien

valarien wrote on Mar 04, 08:34 PM

Thisi is such a profond chain, but I had to chime in my two cents worth.
Specifically to Black's statement,

"But ye are "gods'" because there is a portion of the divine being in us all. When we surrender that divinity to sin {SELF-INFLICTED-NONSENSE}, WE ARE GIVING AWAY  THAT PORTION THAT IS HIDDEN IN OUR SOULS{hearts}."

So my question is....
Can we truly 'give away' the very essence and core of our being?  When it is said that we were 'made in His image'  (we won't even fo down the whole 'gender role' road in traditional scripture today) is that not a reference to this Divine Spirit that was imbued in each of us? If so, is it truly possible to exist without that portion of our beings. Can it be given away? Or rather is it more likely that we simply have CHOSEN to NOT ACKNOWLEDGE the God and the Good within us, but that the Divine is always with us and fully present at whatever point we choose to once again acknowledge what is our Spiritual birthright?

Ultimately, we are all on our own paths to God, to enlightenment, to spiritual fulfillment.  Whether that comes in the form of finding all of our beliefs were true or that we functioned based on fallicies our entire lives, is that the all important point or does the value in life lie in being happy and content with whatever small way we changed the world through our individual lives for whatever reason may have motivated us.

Oh....to Tam's point, another cinematic moment that reminds me of the Twilight Zone that you are speaking of is at the end of Men In Black when we see that our entire universe is merely a single marble in a game that none of us ever even see.

Great blog chain Tam!

princesstamtam

princesstamtam wrote on Mar 04, 09:24 PM

Black and Val I love you two...sincerly

princesstamtam

princesstamtam wrote on Mar 04, 09:26 PM



There you go Black!

Venkman

Venkman wrote on Mar 04, 09:39 PM

(Ven charges into the phone booth.. rips off shirt.. emerges as superman, complete with a curly lock on forehead).. oh.. um.. wrong movie .. (steps back in and changes back into mild mannered Ven with bald head and walks out)

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Computer programmer Thomas A. Anderson leads a secret life as a cracker under the alias "Neo". He wishes to learn the answer to the question: "What is the Matrix?" Cryptic messages appearing on his computer monitor and an encounter with several sinister agents leads him to a group led by the mysterious Morpheus, a man who offers him the chance to learn the truth about the Matrix. Neo accepts and swallows an offered red pill....THIS GOES SO MUCH DEEPER..THINK RABBIT HOLE.

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